This post is on the characteristics of Venus.
Harshness:
It's not often that one comes across a horoscope or a person with very poor Venus. They are interesting people, with no aesthetic sense. They have no need for comfort. They repel people with their behavior. Their is nothing sweet about them.
Harshness:
It's not often that one comes across a horoscope or a person with very poor Venus. They are interesting people, with no aesthetic sense. They have no need for comfort. They repel people with their behavior. Their is nothing sweet about them.
There is a Thirukkural (A set of 1330 old Tamil poems) poem which goes like this:
Iniya Ulvaatha innaatha kooral
Kaniruppa KaaiKavarn dhattru.
Kaniruppa KaaiKavarn dhattru.
Meaning:
Using harsh words instead of sweet words is like eating a raw sour fruit when a ripe sweet one was available.
People with low Venus never heard this poem. They would use harsh words. It's not possible to detect any sweetness in them. High Venus people (especially those with low Mars) would love to be in the good books of everyone.
People with high Saturn (and low Venus) would be very particular about time, disciplined and they are likely to be touchy, stick in the mud. People with high Venus (and low Saturn) are likely to be less conscientious about time and less disciplined.
People with high Saturn (and low Venus) would be very particular about time, disciplined and they are likely to be touchy, stick in the mud. People with high Venus (and low Saturn) are likely to be less conscientious about time and less disciplined.
Soft Skills:
Dale Carnegie is a good salesman and likely a high Venus person. He looks at soft ways to influence people and make friends. Low Venus people cannot make good salesmen because they do not have the soft skills to influence and make friends. They make friends before of their hard skills. Usually high Venus people cannot tolerate a high dosage of low Venus people (and vice versa). Ayn Rand wouldn't like Dale, high Venus people would.
Hatred for pain / stress and empathy for anyone in pain:
There are two ways of evaluating or choosing / voting:
A high Venus person is focused on pain. He thinks 'I don't want pain / stress. I hate anything that gives pain.' He evaluates others largely in terms of 'did you create stress/ unhappiness' and not in business terms of monetary evaluation (what goods / services did you do for / give me and what did I give in return). A person with low Venus and high Mars doesn't care about stress. He takes a lot of stress and stresses others a lot too.
My observations on people I know well indicates that people with high Venus (and high desire) also are more likely to have migraine / headaches. High Venus people include not only people who have strong Venus but also those with average Venus and strong Mars in their horoscope. (Now here is an interesting bit of medical evidence: http://www.migrainesurvival.com/twelve-myths-about-migraine-in-women. Women - the gender that is associated with a stronger Venus, "Men are from Mars" - are more likely to have migraine.). A friend who I thought was high Venus (she is a perfectionist, hates to be asked to explain WHY, not comfortable making decision fast, has a sleeping problem) confirmed to me that she neither has headache / migraine nor does she "enjoy" complaining of pain.
When feelings overcome us, we become blind, we cant see consequences. Imagine a typical man. He would want to have sex regardless of where or with whom. A woman would be more thoughtful in this regard (because of the consequences). She would want to make sure that it's the right person, that the conditions such as the place, the date, the time etc are right. If you asked a man who was raping a woman and asked him if what he was doing was right, what answer do you get from the man? That he NEEDS it, that he has to do it. Does the girl deserve it? Bah.
Here is an article on love. It is about how a person in love behaves. Objective evaluation is stopped and the object of love is accepted completely. And that is what, as per the article, keeps the love strong. When Venus takes over, rationality stops. Which planet stands for rationality? Mars, Saturn, Jupiter, Sun, Mercury, Moon? Most likely it is Mercury.
Creation:
Every creation happens because of Venus. A love for something creates a desire to possess, and something is encouraged to be created. The thing flourishes. Without this love / desire nothing can flourish. Without Venus, there is no family nor house nor profession. The best things (and often bad things as well) happen because of our love (for comfort) or desire. Without desire there is no achievement. High Venus take good care of things. Low Venus people do not.
Generosity:
A person with high Venus is usually not capable of much generosity because of his intense love and desire for self preservation. People like Karna, Bheeshma, Ekalavya, Sydney Carton would not have had high Venus, their personal desire must have been low. Each of them gave up precious things. Generosity increases with stronger Mars and Saturn and decreases with strong Venus. Mars gives the energy to achieve (and hence the propensity to be in a position to give), Saturn gives the tendency to reduce wants.
Holistic (zooming out) rather than zooming in:
Here is an example of good Venus: http://m.timesofindia.com/home/opinion/edit-page/Aamir-Khan-says-box-office-returns-not-a-good-measure-of-movies-worth/articleshow/17340855.cms. The tendency to look at things holistically is that of a high Venus. Such persons would hate a simple (or even complex) formula to describe anything. Life to them is not about formula. Low Venus makes a person exclude things and people from his life, those that are not deemed to be relevant. High Mars and / or Saturn, when associated with low Venus, accelerates this behavior. High Venus on the other hand is inclusive. It keeps people and thoughts and things within and associated. High Venus would consider everything pertinent and has social skills. It is good at networking. Low Venus people hence can make better specialists than high Venus people. Low Venus can solve problems faster than high Venus because of the former's ability to remove "unnecessary stuff" and focus on the pertinent. A high Venus and a high Saturn (low tendency to action) is a recipe for indecisiveness. Decision making is about choosing one option and discarding others. A low Venus and a high Mars (energy) jumps to conclusions having thought quickly of a formula and applied it rightly (often wrongly). Look at this quote. Is it not a high Venus person with a holistic view, carrying others with him?
A friend pointed out that her father, a high Venus person, is a specialist.
Being Touchy:
Touchy people hate to listen to excuses. Durvsakh Rishi had a very touchy nature plus a temper.
High mars is capable of SHOWING high anger.. but what causes the anger? Anger is triggered by jealousy, competitiveness, touchiness etc.
Touchy people feel they deserve respect and when its not given, they feel very let down. if in addition, they also have a high mars and a low Venus, they blow up. High Saturn people pride themselves in consuming less, being austere and in return they expect an acknowledgment of their nature. If they don't get it, then they feel very negative. Touchy people cannot look at why someone could have behaved in an unacceptable way. When Durvasakh Rishi wasn't attended to by Shakuntala, the Rishi took umbrage (Saturn's behavior) and cursed her (Mars behavior).
Rishi Durvasa was touchy, "How dare someone treat me like this?". If he didn't have a short temper, he would have sulked and OPPU (stand in front of a mirror and say OPPU and see how you look). Since he had a violent anger, he couldn't restrain himself. Now, did Shakuntala make a mistake in the way she attended to the Rishi? Yes kinda. Did she deserve to be cursed? Uh uh.
It's no wonder then that highly touchy people are so difficult to get along with.
Now which planet causes a person to be touchy? Saturn or Moon?
Traits of Saturn: Low EQ, coldness, long negative memories.
Traits of Mars: High passion, possible harshness, anger, short negative memories
If you are irritated with this post and thinking "people can't be slotted as good Venus, bad Venus etc" there is good news. You are likely to be a creator.
I will be updating this blog as and when I get new ideas.
Additional reading:
On Generosity:
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/08/is-generosity-better-than-sex/?scp=1&sq=generosity%20and%20marriage&st=cse
http://generosityresearch.nd.edu/news/33630-want-to-be-more-generous-follow-your-gut-harvard-study-suggests/
Type A and Type B personality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_A_and_Type_B_personality_theory
On Saturn: http://www.futurepointindia.com/articles/research-articles/saturn's-role-as-a-disciplinarian.aspx
On Humility, arrogance: http://www.swordofthespirit.net/bulwark/truehumilitychart.htm
On the power of negative thinking: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324705104578147333270637790.html?mod=WSJ_MostPopular_India
On all Planets: http://www.9graha.com/eng/articles/9planets.htm
What is Venus:
What is Saturn:
- Who has spent more effort or delivered more result (Low Venus way)
- Who has more pain (High Venus way)
A high Venus person is focused on pain. He thinks 'I don't want pain / stress. I hate anything that gives pain.' He evaluates others largely in terms of 'did you create stress/ unhappiness' and not in business terms of monetary evaluation (what goods / services did you do for / give me and what did I give in return). A person with low Venus and high Mars doesn't care about stress. He takes a lot of stress and stresses others a lot too.
My observations on people I know well indicates that people with high Venus (and high desire) also are more likely to have migraine / headaches. High Venus people include not only people who have strong Venus but also those with average Venus and strong Mars in their horoscope. (Now here is an interesting bit of medical evidence: http://www.migrainesurvival.com/twelve-myths-about-migraine-in-women. Women - the gender that is associated with a stronger Venus, "Men are from Mars" - are more likely to have migraine.). A friend who I thought was high Venus (she is a perfectionist, hates to be asked to explain WHY, not comfortable making decision fast, has a sleeping problem) confirmed to me that she neither has headache / migraine nor does she "enjoy" complaining of pain.
A high Saturn and a bad Venus combination on the other hand becomes a loner. Such a person is incapable of providing empathy, so they don't extend their hands. Nor would they reach out even when they are completely aware that a person close to them has the resource to solve their problem. These people are problem (read: discomfort) lovers. No, they are not people who love to solve problems of discomfort, but they are people who don't mind discomfort. There is no tendency to solve the problem of lack of comfort. They have no empathy for people living in discomfort. There is a total absence of social behavior. This is not incorrect but it is totally strange. A thinking person may not bear to see injustice, a heart person cannot bear to see pain. In Mahabharata, on the 1st day of war the the Pandavas didn't want to fight. their heart wasn't in it. then bhagwan (God) came and explained to the Pandavas why it was right to fight their cousins, the Kauravas. The head decision to fight was encouraged by god to overcome the heart decision to not fight.
Focus on Need vs due / objective reality:
A person who is very emotional doesn't rationalize too much. He wants his needs fulfilled. His (and others') needs and emotions are all that are relevant to him. "Is he entitled to what he is demanding" is not a question that would come to him, nor would he like that question if he were to be posed that question.
A person who is very emotional doesn't rationalize too much. He wants his needs fulfilled. His (and others') needs and emotions are all that are relevant to him. "Is he entitled to what he is demanding" is not a question that would come to him, nor would he like that question if he were to be posed that question.
When feelings overcome us, we become blind, we cant see consequences. Imagine a typical man. He would want to have sex regardless of where or with whom. A woman would be more thoughtful in this regard (because of the consequences). She would want to make sure that it's the right person, that the conditions such as the place, the date, the time etc are right. If you asked a man who was raping a woman and asked him if what he was doing was right, what answer do you get from the man? That he NEEDS it, that he has to do it. Does the girl deserve it? Bah.
Here is an article on love. It is about how a person in love behaves. Objective evaluation is stopped and the object of love is accepted completely. And that is what, as per the article, keeps the love strong. When Venus takes over, rationality stops. Which planet stands for rationality? Mars, Saturn, Jupiter, Sun, Mercury, Moon? Most likely it is Mercury.
Creation:
Every creation happens because of Venus. A love for something creates a desire to possess, and something is encouraged to be created. The thing flourishes. Without this love / desire nothing can flourish. Without Venus, there is no family nor house nor profession. The best things (and often bad things as well) happen because of our love (for comfort) or desire. Without desire there is no achievement. High Venus take good care of things. Low Venus people do not.
Generosity:
A person with high Venus is usually not capable of much generosity because of his intense love and desire for self preservation. People like Karna, Bheeshma, Ekalavya, Sydney Carton would not have had high Venus, their personal desire must have been low. Each of them gave up precious things. Generosity increases with stronger Mars and Saturn and decreases with strong Venus. Mars gives the energy to achieve (and hence the propensity to be in a position to give), Saturn gives the tendency to reduce wants.
Holistic (zooming out) rather than zooming in:
Here is an example of good Venus: http://m.timesofindia.com/home/opinion/edit-page/Aamir-Khan-says-box-office-returns-not-a-good-measure-of-movies-worth/articleshow/17340855.cms. The tendency to look at things holistically is that of a high Venus. Such persons would hate a simple (or even complex) formula to describe anything. Life to them is not about formula. Low Venus makes a person exclude things and people from his life, those that are not deemed to be relevant. High Mars and / or Saturn, when associated with low Venus, accelerates this behavior. High Venus on the other hand is inclusive. It keeps people and thoughts and things within and associated. High Venus would consider everything pertinent and has social skills. It is good at networking. Low Venus people hence can make better specialists than high Venus people. Low Venus can solve problems faster than high Venus because of the former's ability to remove "unnecessary stuff" and focus on the pertinent. A high Venus and a high Saturn (low tendency to action) is a recipe for indecisiveness. Decision making is about choosing one option and discarding others. A low Venus and a high Mars (energy) jumps to conclusions having thought quickly of a formula and applied it rightly (often wrongly). Look at this quote. Is it not a high Venus person with a holistic view, carrying others with him?
A friend pointed out that her father, a high Venus person, is a specialist.
Being Touchy:
Touchy people hate to listen to excuses. Durvsakh Rishi had a very touchy nature plus a temper.
High mars is capable of SHOWING high anger.. but what causes the anger? Anger is triggered by jealousy, competitiveness, touchiness etc.
Touchy people feel they deserve respect and when its not given, they feel very let down. if in addition, they also have a high mars and a low Venus, they blow up. High Saturn people pride themselves in consuming less, being austere and in return they expect an acknowledgment of their nature. If they don't get it, then they feel very negative. Touchy people cannot look at why someone could have behaved in an unacceptable way. When Durvasakh Rishi wasn't attended to by Shakuntala, the Rishi took umbrage (Saturn's behavior) and cursed her (Mars behavior).
Rishi Durvasa was touchy, "How dare someone treat me like this?". If he didn't have a short temper, he would have sulked and OPPU (stand in front of a mirror and say OPPU and see how you look). Since he had a violent anger, he couldn't restrain himself. Now, did Shakuntala make a mistake in the way she attended to the Rishi? Yes kinda. Did she deserve to be cursed? Uh uh.
It's no wonder then that highly touchy people are so difficult to get along with.
Now which planet causes a person to be touchy? Saturn or Moon?
Traits of Saturn: Low EQ, coldness, long negative memories.
Traits of Mars: High passion, possible harshness, anger, short negative memories
Conclusion:
I found two people whose horoscopes have poor Venus. One is Kiran Rao and one is Aishwarya Rai. Horoscopes are made from the date of birth including year and time and place of birth. These two being actors I would be skeptical about the accuracy of the DOB, especially the year. As per Wiki, both actors were born within a week of each other - around the 1st week of November, 1973. You can use software like Jagannath Hora or AstroSage to cast the horoscope. Now I don't know either of these two people. Those who know them well can confirm to me whether their nature shows a poor Venus.
I found two people whose horoscopes have poor Venus. One is Kiran Rao and one is Aishwarya Rai. Horoscopes are made from the date of birth including year and time and place of birth. These two being actors I would be skeptical about the accuracy of the DOB, especially the year. As per Wiki, both actors were born within a week of each other - around the 1st week of November, 1973. You can use software like Jagannath Hora or AstroSage to cast the horoscope. Now I don't know either of these two people. Those who know them well can confirm to me whether their nature shows a poor Venus.
If you are irritated with this post and thinking "people can't be slotted as good Venus, bad Venus etc" there is good news. You are likely to be a creator.
I will be updating this blog as and when I get new ideas.
Additional reading:
On Generosity:
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/08/is-generosity-better-than-sex/?scp=1&sq=generosity%20and%20marriage&st=cse
http://generosityresearch.nd.edu/news/33630-want-to-be-more-generous-follow-your-gut-harvard-study-suggests/
Type A and Type B personality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_A_and_Type_B_personality_theory
On Saturn: http://www.futurepointindia.com/articles/research-articles/saturn's-role-as-a-disciplinarian.aspx
On Humility, arrogance: http://www.swordofthespirit.net/bulwark/truehumilitychart.htm
On the power of negative thinking: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324705104578147333270637790.html?mod=WSJ_MostPopular_India
Who is Lord Shiva? A person with high Saturn (Kachra, look at his dress, where he lives and in eternal trance), high Mars (look at his anger, third eye, he is the destroyer) and low Venus. Read: http://devdutt.com/articles/indian-mythology/the-third-eye.html
An introvert (high saturn) needs space. A high Mars dislikes space. Venus is driven by desire, Saturn is driven by purpose. Both purpose and desire are important but...
Saturn is tactical while Venus is strategic. Low mars high Venus gives faith, religiousness. Low Venus and high Mars gives passion without ambition, faith nor religiousness. High Mars and high Venus gives ambition.
Stubbornness is a trait both of Venus and Saturn and not of Mars. Mars stands for creativity.
Venus provides the goal. mars provides the energy to reach a goal. SATURN makes one hang on to the goal for a long time. meaning that the heart can also give up too soon if Saturn is not strong (Mohd. Ghazni who invaded India 17 times and lost each time) must have had a strong Saturn. But if Venus is not strong, one does not even have a goal. a strong mars gives the energy to achieve a goal but it doesn't give a goal. A strong sat makes you hang on but if if one doesn't have a goal (has poor Venus), one hangs on out of inertia and not out of choice. But if there is strong Venus you hang on because of faith, because of choice... ("one day things will be better, my next invasion will be successful"). Jupiter contributes by its optimism. What is the difference between Jupiter's optimism and Venus' faith then?
Moon, not Venus, stands for emotions. Venus responds to emotions. The presence of emotions is indicated/handled by Moon while the exhibition or response to emotions is handled by Mars, Venus and Saturn.
An introvert (high saturn) needs space. A high Mars dislikes space. Venus is driven by desire, Saturn is driven by purpose. Both purpose and desire are important but...
Saturn is tactical while Venus is strategic. Low mars high Venus gives faith, religiousness. Low Venus and high Mars gives passion without ambition, faith nor religiousness. High Mars and high Venus gives ambition.
Stubbornness is a trait both of Venus and Saturn and not of Mars. Mars stands for creativity.
Venus provides the goal. mars provides the energy to reach a goal. SATURN makes one hang on to the goal for a long time. meaning that the heart can also give up too soon if Saturn is not strong (Mohd. Ghazni who invaded India 17 times and lost each time) must have had a strong Saturn. But if Venus is not strong, one does not even have a goal. a strong mars gives the energy to achieve a goal but it doesn't give a goal. A strong sat makes you hang on but if if one doesn't have a goal (has poor Venus), one hangs on out of inertia and not out of choice. But if there is strong Venus you hang on because of faith, because of choice... ("one day things will be better, my next invasion will be successful"). Jupiter contributes by its optimism. What is the difference between Jupiter's optimism and Venus' faith then?
Moon, not Venus, stands for emotions. Venus responds to emotions. The presence of emotions is indicated/handled by Moon while the exhibition or response to emotions is handled by Mars, Venus and Saturn.
On all Planets: http://www.9graha.com/eng/articles/9planets.htm
What is Venus:
- http://www.evolvingdoor.ca/miscarticles/venus_introduction.htm
- http://www.evolvingdoor.ca/miscarticles/venus_love.htm
- Venus in Scorpio: http://www.alwaysastrology.com/scorpio-venus.html
What is Saturn:
it is strange because it is rare. And only precious things are rare. So nice to be one of the rare gems!!!
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