Planet For Intelligence

I was trying to identify the planet for intelligence as per Vedic astrology (meaning not considering Uranus etc).

Mercury is normally held to signify intelligence and facility with Maths and languages and communication.

Jupiter supposedly confers wisdom, which is not the same as intelligence. Venus, according to me, gives maturity and not intelligence. Mars, Rahu etc just amplify the significance of the planet they come in contact with or when the planet is in their nakshatra (star). 

Moon is supposed to refer to the mind and emotions. I think moon may have something to do with intelligence. 

Saturn provides rationality, not intelligence. As per MBTI, T signifies rationality while N signifies intelligence.

I happened to read this article today.

https://www.quora.com/Which-planet-is-responsible-in-astrology-for-highest-intelligence - It is a nice article on the subject though I don't agree with parts of it.

My Favorite Actress And Her Mars

My favorite actress is Sadhana. Not because she was a good actress but because she was good looking. I was hooked to her ever since I saw the movie Rajkumar and saw the song Dilruba Dil Pe Tu. She was gorgeous in that song.

A few weeks back I happened to watch a dance of hers in a movie song sequence - Paas Rehte Hue Bhi Tujh Se Bahut Door Hain and Tere Pyaar Mein Dildaar from Mere Mehboob (1963, MD: Naushad) and I told myself that she ain't a dancer. And today I watched her run behind Joy Mukherjee in the song Aap Yun Hi Agar Hum Se Milte in the movie Ek Musaafir Ek Hasina (1963, MD: OP Nayyar). The short run was quite nice and unfeminine. Usually adult women run with their arms, from elbow to wrist, outstretched instead of having their arms by their waist / hips as men do. This must have something to do with their body structure.

When I saw her run, I correlated with her inelegant dance and I felt strongly that she must have a strong Mars. Only a strong Mars makes you dance (inelegantly) and run (elegantly) like a man.

So then I looked up her horoscope (check her wiki for DOB). She has Vargottama Mars in Aries. No wonder. I would be scared of her anger or violence. I would also predict that her voice was not sweet at all, more like Rani Mukherjee's or Bipasha Basu's. Unfortunately I do not remember Sadhana's voice and who knows, may be it was dubbed.

Ain't it sad that we can't dub for someone who can't dance?

Aphorisms

Starting today, I am going to create my own aphorisms, my own understanding of things that I see. Perhaps one (to two or even longer towards the end of the post) liners that convey my understanding of life.

• People with black and white thinking are touchy. This is because of their inability to see any grey - they can see only limited options to explain others' behavior. And one of those options sees someone else's behavior as personal and meant against themselves. And touchiness is a property or attribute of J (as in MBTI), not of P. It's sad that i know of few touchy P's. I can't explain those rare P's.
• When a person (say P) pushes the boundary of another person (say J) and trespasses, the latter thinks of his own behavior as having been graceful and generous. The former knows he has negotiated a good deal and that he doesn't owe the latter. When the latter realizes that the action he agreed to was a result of negotiation he is cut to the quick. This is one example of the larger rule in human behavior - when our good actions consistently go unacknowledged we stop performing those good actions. 
• Peter Keating says to Catherine Halsey about his boss Guy Francon in Fountainhead "and i have no respect for him at all. And I'm delighted to be working for him" - What a beautiful way to characterize Peter. His heart is delighted because the job provides what he desires (maybe, prestige) and his head has no respect for the man. This is example of Cognitive Dissonance.
• The man in whom the weight of others' feedback weighs heavily is a man that is not worth looking up to. It doesn't mean that all men who do not consider others' feedback are good men. We fear tigers and lions. But we don't fear, as much, the same animals that have been trained to behave as per some trainer's expectation. The first step towards destroying a person's individuality is to get him to seek constant feedback. 
• Some people tend to ostracize those they can't stand. Others tend to destroy people they can't stand. Whether we end up ostracizing or destroying people depends on how strong their Mars (energy level) is. Actually it's a question of fight (destroy) or flight (ostracize or avoid). 
• Some people pride themselves on seeing and depicting reality as it is. Some pride themselves on their ability to change reality - they take pride in amplifying or minimizing what reality is. Remember the senator from Montana in the movie Shooter so says "Truth is what I say it is", meaning he could interpret "truth" any which way. 
• What you hold on to at the end of the day indicates what your capacity and strength are. There is a saying in Tamil "It's when the river runs dry that you get to see the muck."
• If you put off something in your life then that thing was never important to you.
• Some people think of a pointed question that they are unable to answer or one that caught them in a lie as an insulting question.
• Strong Venus (as in Vedic Astrology = F as in MBTI) gives poor introspection ability. Introspection comes from Saturn. I wonder whether Cognitive Dissonance and strong Venus are positively correlated. F also have difficulty in understanding cause and effect (due perhaps to their difficulty in sequencing events which is essential for cause and effect analysis). Intelligent F's do sequencing with ease but usually limit the act to when it's useful for themselves.
• Often we are told to suppress our anger and not vent out and yell. When we do suppress it, it results in disgust being stored inside. This article seems to echo the same thought: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/study-shows-that-for-wome/. Read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressive_Suppression.
• FP (as in MBTI) needs pleasantness and provides the same. It's the essence of their character. Their ability to say yes to your request without meaning it is phenomenal. TJ can rarely provide the pleasantness sought by an FP. As a result the FP will move away. And TJ will hence also part. A TJ can desire the pleasantness despite not being able to provide it. 
• We say Inshallah (or As God wills it) when we are not driven to ensure something - maybe the thing was not important enough. But when we do go ahead and do something instead of inshallahing (just expressing hope) then the goal was important enough for us. 
• When an Enneagram-8 (or with only a strong Mars without even a strong Mars) really feels someone is good what he means is that the someone is or can be of use to him - a good raw material for the 8. See this: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/leadership-isnt-being-greatits-enabling-others-great-david-mcqueen. Enneagram 8 are usually leaders and they usually have a very strong Mars and atleast a reasonably strong Venus.
• The thing you crave that you have in plenty is your value. What you crave which you lack is just greed.
• We tend to judge people quite rigorously on those things that we have in plenty. We tend to be very kind on attributes in people which we ourselves lack. If we are a strong T with high intelligence, we tend to judge people harshly on their (lack of) intelligence. While if we were a strong F, we tend not to attack people on their lack of intelligence, we tend to go very soft. Essentially we tend to be bullies - some of us on physical strength, some on attractiveness and so on. We choose that attribute which we think or feel we are strong in and kinda bully others who kinda lack that attribute. The strength of bullying is proportional to the Mars or energy in us. When our energy is low, people may not be aware of our bullying propensity.
• Added on Mar 10, 2017: Paytm planned to levy 2% charge on users who added money to Paytm through credit card. The rationale being that users misused Paytm - they charged their credit card to add money to Paytm, then moved the money from Paytm to their bank and they had a couple of weeks to pay their credit card. Paytm didn't levy any charge for these transactions earlier. Now here is the interesting thing.. People figured out a way to use this loophole in Paytm. Users got free bonus points from their credit card issuer for using the card. Not only that, users got back money in their banks which they had to pay only after a couple of weeks. Beautiful. This is akin to snails homing in on plants or cobras on rats or ants on sugar.. I always wonder. How the hell do they know there is food? The instinct to survive is something God has given everyone including animals. The Paytm users used this instinct. So did the guys who laundered their demonetized notes between Nov and Dec 2016. This instinct comes from keeping all their senses (sense organs) open with a high desire to live well. And so was the caller from RBI ATM. Why did he resort to this con job? My guess is: he might not have found any other routine cleaner jobs to his liking or he didn't get or couldn't keep such jobs. Humans aren't that different from animals. We tend to camouflage our needs better. What we call maturity is our tendency to camouflage or postpone our need for instant gratification 
• Often we see what we want to see. Is it the whole picture? Would our reaction to what we saw change if we knew the whole picture? We often hear of Sri Lankan Navy shooting at or imprisoning poor Indian fishermen off the coast of Rameswaram. I have often felt irritated with Sri Lanka. And I felt the same way about Pakistan about what Pak does off Karachi waters or near LOC. But then read this: http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/the-right-to-fish/article17436605.ece
• Our memory may not be as good as we think it is as per http://www.americanscientist.org/bookshelf/pub/disillusionment (relate to the sinking or the whipping)
• When a wife tells her sick husband and child that she will cook bad food as long as they continue to be sick - is she emotionally blackmailing them or is she showing them the way to get better soon? 
• When we are being non egoistic, we are concerned more with our need for people than our own feeling of being wronged or belittled and our need to destroy whoever caused the wron. We sell non egoistic behavior as divine (as against egoistic behavior). No doubt that non egoistic behavior is nicer.. But...
• Some of us defend external attack on our egos and in the process perhaps let go of our material assets. And there are others who better control their egos while capably defending attacks on their material assets or even going on the offensive to conquer someone else's assets. And since generosity involves letting go of assets, does it mean generosity coexists with ego? Does non egoistic and high EQ (emotional quotient) behavior hence rarely coexist with generosity? 
• Quote on intelligence from http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/biology/jbasil/documents/CrowApeCognition.pdf: "One important aspect underlying all flexible behavior is the ability to generalize learned rules in order to apply them to novel stimuli or situations. This ability to solve transfer problems by abstracting general rules is what distinguishes rule learners from rote learners. When presented with a series of different discriminations to learn, corvids (blue jays, rooks, jackdaws, and Eurasian jays), like monkeys and apes, extract the general rule, such as win-stay, lose-shift rather than having to learn each new discrimination afresh. By contrast, pigeons appeared to be rote learners, solving the task eventually by learning each discrimination individually...There are many aspects of corvid and ape cognition that appear to use the same cognitive tool kit: causal reasoning, flexibility, imagination, and prospection"
• We are predisposed or programmed to fear snakes as per https://thehumanevolutionblog.com/2014/10/08/are-humans-predisposed-to-fear-snakes/
• Quote from https://thehumanevolutionblog.com/2016/10/17/dominance-status-affects-the-transmission-of-fear/: "rats, like humans, experience their world through the lens of social contact. Those of high social rank are more influential on others, while being less likely to be influenced by others. Those of lower social rank, on the other hand, have their own advantage: by paying attention to both superiors and other subordinates, they are able to learn from all of members of the group equally."
• Empathy is the ability to see things from another's point of view. J (as in MBTI) hence are least empathetic.. They are so bound by rules and formula and are most fair.. Empathy and fairness rarely coexist. P are usually good at empathy while J show generosity. I wonder whether the existence of empathy and generosity is proof enough of a person's P or J type.
• I love the movie Drishyam (Hindi version). There were two feminine themes. One is how Tabu figures out how Ajay fooled the police. (Incidentally in the Wiki photo, Tabu looks so much like Saira Banu... Beautiful). 
• The other is how cleanly Ajay fools everyone with aptly placed words.. Of course he made some mistakes.. One of which was looking directly at the camera inside the ATM.. People usually don't look at the camera in an ATM.. That act, to prove that he was in the ATM on the said day, aroused suspicion. When his wife tells him at the end that she felt bad that they, as a family, had gotten away free despite having murdered the boy.. And how sad she was for the IG of police. After all the IG was a mother too. Ajay's reply is all about animal behavior with little richness of human behavior. Had the situation been reversed, he tells his wife, the IG would not have been so kind as Shreya is trying to be. Every man to his own. At the deepest level Ajay was concerned about survival than about morals. Are humans very different from animals? 
• Now coming to Tabu...There seemed to be no evidence to support Gaitonde's view that Ajay was the person who drove the yellow car and also probably killed Sam. Tabu and her husband had been hearing all witnesses supporting the explanation given by Ajay...Until she hears one of them blurt out that he didn't remember all the details that happened on Oct 2 and 3. That he had met Ajay 3 - 4 days back and that Ajay mentioned or rather reminded him of the details then... Then Tabu starts figuring out that.. Ajay and his family had gone to Panjim and had eaten Pav Bhaji and stayed at the lodge and watched the movie.. BUT NOT ON the dates Oct 2 , 3 but subsequently. This is the most beautiful part of the movie... This is Ne (as in MBTI) at work.
• Isn't it strange that the people that we expect and do get empathy from are the same ones that we can't let our guard down with... Do we really respect the person with whom we let our guard down? When we let our guard down, we tend to not listen carefully when they are taking, we multitask, we look elsewhere (may be a quick look at the messenger screen in our phone), avoid eye contact.. Would we have done such things when we didn't know the person well? We usually think of letting our guard down as a symptom of getting close.. Is it also a symptom of more distance indicating a lack of respect?
• How often do we say (or heard others say) "Be truthful AND be sensitive to the feelings of others" in the same breath? It is usually not possible to do both, right? 
• Very little of communication is apparently verbal. Much of it is non verbal which includes voice modulation, gestures, facial expression etc.. People with good communication skills use these non verbal techniques while communicating. They convey whatever is necessary. Without any words being uttered leaving no proof. That's diplomacy. Diplomacy is the high end of communication. 
• I had earlier written about line and staff functions and entrepreneurs. It is surprising that people that are not line function (I mean those that are incapable of handling line function. I don't refer to those that are not handling line function) are generally not capable of handling relationships either.. The tendency to specialize too much, which is typified in staff function roles, also extends its impact on family life. Staff function people can not handle deep relationships as well. They can be good counselors, can be a good father, mother, daughter figure etc but usually not a good father, mother or daughter etc.
• When our desire to not get embroiled in a conflict or controversy very high, we convince ourselves that we didn't do anything controversial - even if an impartial observer might opine that we did. Extending this to other behavior, the best of us might lie when it comes to risking public knowledge of our having violated our own strongest personal values. We cannot let it be known that we violated our own values. It is so sacred that we would even lie. 
• Of late I have started reading on evolution, genetics and in the process i came across "natural selection" - how nature ensures that only those attributes are rewarded with survival and procreation that are useful to live.. 
• Charles Darwin: "As many more individuals of each species are born than can possibly survive; and as, consequently, there is a frequently recurring struggle for existence, it follows that any being, if it vary however slightly in any manner profitable to itself, under the complex and sometimes varying conditions of life, will have a better chance of surviving, and thus be naturally selected. From the strong principle of inheritance, any selected variety will tend to propagate its new and modified form." See also http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/evolution/evolution1.htm
• And INT (as in MBTI) are lowest in numbers. Could it be that INT's are low because they are UNFIT for survival? Neither having an Extroverted nature or Feelings to relate to others nor the S to be in tune with the world. J adds the last nail on the coffin by eliminating all the built in instincts to survive (which incidentally P's have). Could it be that INTJ'S may have thrived long time back in a different environment? Or are INT's the result of a harmful mutation? I wonder. See below:
• A friend of mine sent me this quote on 14th Feb 2017: "I must learn to love the fool in me -- the one who feels too much, talks too much, takes too many chances, wins sometimes and loses often, lacks self-control, loves and hates, hurts and gets hurt, promises and breaks promises, laughs and cries. It alone protects me against that utterly self-controlled, masterful tyrant whom I also harbor and who would rob me of human aliveness, humility, and dignity but for my fool." .......Theodore Rubin [The masterful tyrant is the J behavior while the so called fun loving fool is the P. And the author seems to have some of both]
• Humans are more restrained than animals in terms of what they are and aren't supposed to do. We have evolved rules of behavior. J's (the ones that are rule based) are most human like. And P's are most animal like. It's rather surprising that the more evolved J behavior (with its umpteen rules ) is less likely to survive. Did our ancestors go wrong somewhere while defining rules? Or are the J's themselves too stupid to understand that that J behavior doesn't help them to survive?
• Some people are very honest and forthright (usually the TJ as in MBTI).. Those people can and will say anything if they know that to be true. These people come across as shockingly clean to others. Most people aren't like that. They, the latter, cannot afford to be so open because they have other agenda and they choose their battles wisely. Being so open or honest will cause an unnecessary battle for the latter. F and or P causes one to be careful about what one says. The cleanliness, of some of the TJ's, is like distilled water. Very pure but quite inedible and tasteless. 
• There is an old saying - "Don't treat someone as though (s)he is a priority when you are only an iron for them. Let me start from that thought. You may have come across people who say they love you. I have often wondered. What exactly do they mean? Mothers love their children and would do anything for them and protect them (children) with their love. Women also love chocolates. They will insert it in their mouth and bite a big chunk of it and swallow and destroy the chocolate. The word love is used in both instances but the two emotions are completely different. One (towards children) is a giving kind of love. The other is one that destroys the chocolate. When someone says they love you, do they mean you are like chocolate or like their child? Rather unfortunate that the English language uses the same word to describe very different things. 
• It is important to differentiate between the what and the why and when to focus on the what and when to drill down to the why.. I have often had an issue with people who tend to get into the why instead of stopping with the what.. As a result they tend to get lost and unable to see clearly what i see.. To know that something happened you don't need to know why.. When we are empathetic we tend to justify the what and hence we inextricably bind the why to the what.. The whole purpose of the why, in such cases, is to negate or deny the what.. The why is usually more ambiguous than the what. By linking the why to the what, we are able to make the what also gray. Isn't that the raison d'etre of P's? To not categorize anything and to leave a lot of room for ambiguity? On the other hand when we want to understand and remove a problem we will go to the why - to understand what causes the problem and hence remove or decrease the problem. It is in such cases, when we do a root cause analysis (RCA), that we need to delve into the why. 
• When we hear of an incident some of us ask WHO (it happened to or was involved). While others ask WHY or HOW (it happened). For example when we hear of an accident do we focus on who got hurt or with how or why the accident happened? Those who focus on the who are into gossip. Those who focus on the who / why are into research. 
• It is interesting that if you allowed me to do something or gave me something which I love then I feel respect for you. But if I took the same liberty, with or without your knowledge , but certainly without your permission I think of you as cuckold.
• The acid test for F (as in MBTI) is the tendency to play Robin Hood - to rob Peter to help Paul. Note I use the word Help rather than the word Pay. This tendency is stronger in FP than in FJ.
• I saw the movie Mississippi Burning almost 30 years back and i was electrified by it. Watching it on TV again yesterday (15-Apr-2017) I recognized some other dimensions while watching Gene Hackman and Willem Dafoe. Dafoe often goes by the book and says "Bureau procedure, Mr Anderson" to Hackman. Very J. When they interview the deputy (sheriff), Dafoe is with the deputy while Hackman is more unconventional and spends time with the deputy's wife getting useful titbits of information. Towards the end when the county frustrates FBI and Dafoe is in impotant rage because his correct procedure still amounted to nothing... Hackman asks Dafoe whether he [Dafoe] will do it his [Anderson's] way. And was Hackman unconventional!
• I read this article about how $171million was stolen from United Bank Of India (and subsequently recovered within a few days). I wondered about the person who did the heist. Were they any different from the animals we see on Nat Geo Wild? What differentiates us from animals? It's the restraint. We think about rules (more appropriate), we think about how it might affect the other party (more empathetic). When we lack these restraints we are no different from the Chinese, Taiwanese, Vietnamese (and Indians, Pakistanis, Americans etc) who perpetrated the act.
• Negotiation is a trait of the ambitious and of those with high Venus. It is only the assertive people that negotiate. The Aggressive people fight or make war and snatch stuff. Both aggression and assertiveness are symptoms of the "fight" nature as against "flight" nature the symptoms of which are to walk away or show the other cheek. Read this to understand more about the Gandhi / Galt's flight technique. 
• This world makes us change and behave in ways which occasionally makes us feel yucky. So much so that we want to take a small break and live in a pure atmosphere or in the company of a pure person - it's like our own personal Ramzan. The interesting thing is that we can only tolerate so much of the "pure" atmosphere before we start gasping for the normality in our lives and hence disengage from the purity. 
• We come across descriptions like intelligence, சமத்து (non mischievous, dependable, sensible etc), mature, innocent etc. How do these map to MBTI attributes? சமத்து is J, intelligence is N. Innocence is portraying oneself without any embellishmment (WYSIWYG) and is T. Innocence and maturity rarely go together - I would tend to think they are opposites. Maturity is P and not F. Examples of TP are sum, rensrini, and tvran (persons I know).
• I have often wondered why I don't listen to lyrics of songs, though I love listening to songs. I guess it's because of my T. Most F listen to music holistically focusing on the music and voice and lyrics. I am yet to come across a T that listens to lyrics while enjoying a song. Incidentally I read this yesterday. "P. K. Ajith Kumar of The Hindu stated, "Just as [Susheela] does not need to know the language to sing a song perfectly, we need not know Tamil to enjoy her songs like ... Chittukkuruvi... ( Puthiya Paravai )". from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puthiya_Paravai I doubt whether many people will agree with Ajith Kumar.
• Some people have perfected the art of giving when they can afford to or WHEN they have resources in excess and hence effectively limit demands on their resources at other times (by people who get into trouble and need help). A manufacturing analogy is the practice of doing preventive maintenance (PM), the schedule for which one has control over and thus avoid or minimize breakdown of machinery at times when we can ill afford a breakdown. 
• Some of us walk away from a relationship after judging the behavior of the other person to be unacceptable - they remove the other person from their lives. Others just reduce the amount of involvement with a person and go by the "let's be friends". The latter set show a fine understanding of grey behavior while the former operate on a Boolean scale. Are we describing J and P? 
• Introverts repel each other - unless they share something very great. If an introvert has to reach out to another introvert, he has to network through an extrovert, even if he is not very comfortable with the said extrovert and even if he was good friends with the other introvert.
• We always evaluate people very strictly on those attributes we are good at and we are very lenient while evaluating people on things we ourselves aren't good at.
• FP's (or F's or P's) tend to dream a lot. Not only that they tend to focus a lot on their dreams and trying to interpret it. Unlike TJ's who treat dreams as a waste of time. Like an advertisement.
• Nagging can be triggered by desire P (why didn't you get me this or that) as well as by responsibility J (Why haven't you done this, why is this still not cleaned).
• Sensing, listening to, hearing emotional responses is orgasmic for feelers. Most feelers, even introverted ones and selfish ones, respond positively to emotional expression.
• Negotiation is a legal and cheap way to cheat. Especially true when the other party doesn't know the art of negotiation. Examples Belgians in Congo, England's East India Company with India and also seen in many relationships.
• Venus provides the ability to survive and the desire to live. The stronger the Venus, stronger the tendency to survive at any cost.
• J thinks no problems should arise because of him and hence takes extra steps and plans ahead. A p thinks no problem should be attributable to him and hence takes steps (tasks his way through) at the least minute to ensure that the issue is never blamed on him.
• F thinks that the feelings decide what is best. That the path to Happiness is by following the heart. That the heart understand the dictates of the mind (brain) as well as that of the body and finally gives a composite direction. And that Thought / Rationality is likely to lead one astray. 
• I get the feeling that N can be suffixed by TJ or by FP but not by TP, FJ? Meaning NTP, NFJ are not possible combinations.
• When we are shopping for or choosing something P's (as in MBTI) filter based on what is desired regardless of whether it is correct or not, whether feasible or not. The J's on the other hand tend to filter out based on constraints and feasibility even if it means removing desirable options. 
• How much in mental pain must a person be when they accuse their partner of having a very low libido and also accuse the same person of having committed date / marital rape? 
• It is strange that an F / P (as in MBTI) and a T / J conclude a conversation and each has a different recollection of the minutes of their meeting. 
• Women's equality rights feminist movement is not really about women getting equal rights and having the right to live their life as they wish. It is about having life dictated by their strengths - emotions and aesthetics and curbing any focus on physical strength and hard skills.. What women want is a world that rewards soft skills and EQ. 
• When we are good at something, we can recognize the same in others as well. If we are good at faking, we can catch other fakes easily. 
• Objective of F (as in MBTI) is to lead life primarily through feelings and emotions. They know exactly what to ask, demand, get and know what not to give. And do it with such effortless diplomacy that you wouldn't realize what they have been up to. The ones with high energy are especially cutthroat survivors. They are capable of immense sacrifice for their loved ones as well as exceeding self centered and insensitive nature.
• When you are deeply interested in someone, anything they like, place where they live become important and pleasant to you. When you dislike someone, the opposite happens. You want to desecrate what they like. 
• We do not understand the intensity of pain something creates in someone else if we don't feel the same pain with the same intensity.
• NTJ like to discover a new formula or rule which they hope cannot be broken. This gives them a thrill. NFP like to break a so called unbreakable rule. that's what gives them a thrill.. 
• If mankind had only Thinkers, we would have become extinct. And if we had only feelers, we would still be hanging from the tress and thumping our chests.
• For an introverted feeling J person with low energy (in whom S2 is largely absent), arrival of important guests causes S2 to awaken. 
• We use S2 only when we are very particular about a thing. If its not important for us, we use S1.
• When we are not interested in a subject we do not retrieve stuff related to the subject. Example When we are told not to do something (with reference to something we don't like) we still continue to do it unintentionally.. S1 triggers the act of doing.. The instruction not to do it isn't triggered. Is this an issue of storage in memory or an issue of retrieval? I think its an issue of retrieval. If we are repeated that instruction, we do recollect that we were told earlier.. The issue is hence one of retrieval. Because this instruction is something we don't like, it is perhaps stored in a locker which is not accessible immediately during an emergency.
• Figuring out what answer is appropriate and packaging is a P trait not F trait. Meaning FP/TP will do it but not FJ/TJ. 
• T look for competence. F look for happiness as goal in life.
• "Not everything is black and white..Is this statement made by by a P or a F?
• We think its important to be mature. Until we realize maturity is the opposite of innocence.
• There are two kinds of people: A, those who feel small when they have to stand up and acknowledge that they aren't man enough to do a job and B. Then there are those who confidently say that the job assigned to them is a man's job. And they aren't men. They are women who are only helping out. "Women" is of course a metaphor.
• Experience and maturity can camouflage a complete lack of intelligence.
• A girl is lucky to marry a man with a lousy mother.. he doesn't have a great feminine role model that the girl has to live up to.
• I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy - is a classic Feeler's expression.
• The thinker wants to remove noise from anything in order to understand something well. Lyrics (in songs) to them are "noise" meaning non-value add and hence they do not process it. Feelers want to get everything included calling it holistic. 
• The T identifies a goal - for example "one needs to do some specific activity". If no one is there to do it, he does it. The F decides to do the thing if the activity concerned is close to his heart - regardless of whether someone else is already doing it. If not close, the F only expresses sympathy but doesn't do it - No matter if no one else is doing it. For T thus, his head decides. For F his heart does. The two (T, F) do very different analysis.
• The important issue is not whether things are hardwired in people. The question is whether things can be modified as we want.
• Baggage is the dislike of things or of people that over a period of time has moved to S1 in order to not waste time. Hence we respond with a snigger or roll our eyes or scream before we restrain ourselves.
• We are (because we can afford to be) open and honest about things we don't care about.
• Effective way to handle poor chemistry is to switch off communication, neither understand though the heart or the head, turn away when anything is said and if the voice is raised blame the switch off on the raised voice.
• Some people are so superficial that when they plunge headlong into a relationship, not even a single strand of hair gets wet.
• Venus has an ability to compare things across units of measure - i think S1, as per DK, does the same thing.
• Strong Venus, with weak Mars focuses essentially on survival. The same Venus with Mars also strong focuses on winning or conquering. 
• Strange that we judge people based on their S2 (conscious premeditated thought) when so little happens from S2 but mostly through S1 (subconscious).
• The feeler focuses on avoiding conflict. The thinker focuses on avoiding inconsistency.
• Survivors are good for their own families. Non survivors are good for others' families.
• Feelers often think harshness and rudeness are synonyms. Perhaps because both are painful. But the two are very different. Harshness is about saying things without camoflauging, without toning down the message, being blunt and perhaps also being loud. Rudeness on the other hand is about being insulting (Imagine someone saying this prior to Independence. "Only Europeans allowed inside this club. Dogs and Indians not allowed"). And insults can be delivered with a smile, softly in a low voice. Harshness is a masculine trait. Rudeness is a feminine trait.
• The struggle to survive replaces Innocence with maturity. Innocence and honesty go together, as in children. Maturity and dishonesty go together as in feminine people.
• Extreme consequences can restrain the exercise of your preferences.
• S is about a sequence or chronology of events. Specific to one circumstance. N is about a formula more universal.
• In a non-physical conflict between two people, the one that's a lesser (or less sophisticated) feeler is toast.
• The secret of life and survival is to use appropriate peaceful means to exclude rationality from discussion or consideration.
• Insensitivity is driven sometimes by a combination of Innocence and strict discipline. While other times it is driven by self-centered nature.
• The size of a conflict between A and B is directly proportional to the difference in A's forcefulness about an opinion and B's forcefulness that differs from it. The forcefulness of VERBAL EXPRESSION of either opinion is not relevant to the conflict. Feminine people do not express forcefully verbally. They have huge conflicts nevertheless. If what A espouses is strongly disliked by B then A and B are likely to have a strong conflict.
• Feelers introspection is focused on the result (you didn't handle right). Thinkers introspection is focused on the process (why did it happen, who made a mistake).
• I believe that false emotions (showing joy when you don't feel it or hiding your sorrow) are displayed when you are soft meaning while using s2. Other emotions including anger, accusing someone falsely of rape etc are true (sing S1), even if the data may be factually incorrect.
• Feminine people strongly like and appreciate Emotional intelligence. Feminine people judge others on how street smart they are. Feminine people use S2 while applying emotional intelligence.Fairness comes from S2 and is stressful. Emotions come from S1 and cost nothing.
• Context sensitive behavior is an indication of being alive. Autistic people, J's display poor context sensitivity.Don't take seriously the opinion of someone who hasn't introspected ever.
• When I rob Peter to pay many Paul's, all Paul's will come in my support when I am accused of robbing Peter.
• When we are debilitated, for example don't old age, our control on our S2 is limited. We run on S1 more often and hence our true nature is likely to be seen then. 
• Ultimately the game in life is about how much you get by giving the least i.e., maximizing our returns.
• The difference between TJ and FJ (actually between Tx and Fy) is that an F can look at A = B (Equation 1), B = C (Eq 2) and comfortably conclude that A<>C, where A, B, C are real life situations. For example, you tell a feeler: Good husbands take care of their wives (1), Tom never took care of his wife (2). An F will be very comfortable saying Tom is still a good husband. When questioned about point 2, a feeler will say Tom had extenuating circumstances. This is the S1 talking. 
• A feeler judges others (and themselves) on how well they present what is untrue.
• When you do a favor to some people, they return it by asking for some more.
• S2 and thinkers are not synonymous. We use S2 about things we are passionate about. Both Thinkers and feelers use S2 on things they are passionate about. 
• When you understand (or define) something, you should also know what that thing isn't, explain the difference between that thing and closely related things.
• When someone tells you he is entitled to an explanation, it doesn't ALWAYS mean that you are obligated to explain to him.
• Slander is when you say something nasty about someone that is untrue. When what you is true, it's not slander. When you say something nasty, people may say "what a nasty thing for you to say" giving the impression that you have slandered. No, it's slander only when the nasty thing you said is untrue.
• Dream is S1 at work.
• When you are contemplating an issue (whether to go ahead or not) and if there are major issues and if a major issue is removed and you still don't want to go ahead. THEN the major issue removed was never a major issue.
• It's during invigilation time that our base nature raises it's ugly head. We would rather be home sick and do corrections and let someone else substitute for us in invigilation.
• But death, on the other hand, is really tragic. It forces us to do things which we hate.. lend a helping hand to the suffering party - much against our wishes.
• Don't TEST what people say for correctness, fairness etc. They don't mean what they say. They say it because temporarily it seems like a good idea to say it. If you remember this always in your S2, you can deal with people better. Of course, you may become cynical (thinking, oh she doesn't mean what she says).
• Most of what people say - except things that are assignment statements (do this, don't do that), just like in BASIC you can mentally prefix a REM and ignore it.
• Honesty and fairness is nice but not effective if your judgement is poor. It means either 1. Judge blindly and fairly as a judge is supposed to or 2. Judge knowing what is appropriate in the current circumstances. Many a times in order to live and let live, you have to forego fairness.
• If God were ever to grant some people a gift, that they will henceforth only say what is in their mind and what is true... They would die a hundred deaths.
• Feminism is about the world looking at things the way we women do. https://victimfocus.wordpress.com/2018/08/04/why-i-dont-want-to-become-equal-to-men/
• For some people, original thoughts are critical. For some others, expressing commonly held thoughts is important.
• It's nice not to dwell on the subject of character especially if you don't have any. Introspection, then, won't throw up any ugly truths.
• Some people think of duty as responsibility towards the external world, what a person needs to do for someone else. For some other people, duty is fulfillment of their own needs.
• "She is very practical" basically means she is not stubborn and knows how to be flexible and is willing to negotiate and create win-win situation. This is a P. The other kind is a J.
• Our job in life is to manage until death. We can be sorrowful or we can be happy. Life is a little more fun if we laugh.
• We are generous with what we have plentiful of. Some are generous with emotions. Some others are generous with their money. Are thinkers generous with their emotions? About as much as poor people are generous with their money.
• "She is very practical" basically means she is not stubborn and knows how to be flexible and is willing to negotiate and create win-win situation. This is a P. The other kind is a J.
• Our job in life is to manage until death. We can be sorrowful or we can be happy. Life is a little more fun if we laugh.
• We are generous with what we have plentiful of. Some are generous with emotions. Some others are generous with their money. Are thinkers generous with their emotions? About as much as poor people are generous with their money.
• If you deeply respect a person A, you will also deeply respect other persons who are very similar to A.
• Statements in support of inaction:

• Things happen as per destiny.

• Set something free. If it comes back to you, it was always yours. If it doesn't, it was never yours.

• Evolution is a strong argument against racism and religion.
• An SJ's (as in MBTI) ability to consider and store a new piece of information is inversely proportional to how much that information contradicts their view of the world.
• The non rational person's prayer: "Let not my opinion be hindered by silly little facts."
• Conviction + Influence = Forcefulness. 
• At a young age some of us have conviction (ki yeh sahi hai aur wo galat hai). When we use that conviction to influence someone else it becomes Forcefulness. When we were younger hence we may not have been seen as forceful even if we had conviction.
• Be pleasant, nice and sweet. The tangible returns will exceed that of Bajaj Finance.
• When generosity comes out by itself it's beautiful. It's ugly when you are manipulated to be generous.
• A lack of energy and extreme focus on comfort and peace (for self first and then for others) - signified by weak Mars and non weak Venus - makes one wait for the opportune time to do something for others while generally being needy. Opportune as in most convenient to oneself than looking at the urgency of someone's need.
• Multitasking by feelers is never done with the aim of getting more things done. It's done primarily when each of the tasks is boring. Even while making love, a feeler would think of other unrelated things when they just want to get it over with. But if they are really into it, they would hate to multitask, say answer a phone.
• The rational NT takes pride in the fact that he uses the K(nowledge) of an event and analyzes it with the Rational Why to create something like an airbag. The feminine mind (SF) uses the same K(nowledge) to determine the Emotional Why. 
• Insensitivity is our desire triumphing our aversion to cause trouble to others. 
• Extreme J nature makes you think of "What should be" instead of "What is" while answering a question or pondering a problem. And hence J's responses are likely wrong or "false" for certain kind of questions.
• Claiming frequent sickness or poverty or other distress or claiming to be frequently busy are both survival strategies. In either case, people generally won't easily come to you for help since you are already in distress or busy. You are given a waiver. And if you do help, you are appreciated much more for having taken time out. This is a win strategy for self most of thee time. The busy option is chosen by positive people, the distress option by negative people.
• We will not take stress for on a routine basis for anything that's unimportant to us.We will not take stress for on a routine basis for anything that's unimportant to us.
• That we are suffering doing something is no proof that we are doing a great job of it.
• Sometimes we don't mean what we say when we are nasty. Other times we don't mean what we say when we are sweet. Lying is preferable to being nasty.
• Caring for someone is not about how much you think of them. It's how much you will do to ensure they don't come to any harm.
• Always express your good feelings and intentions. Then you can get away even with murder, We are being brainwashed into judging people by their intentions and not by their actions.
• Nice quotes are like oxygen for the unthinking mind.
• A string and wind can make a KITE soar high majestically. Another string can cut its leg off in a second. If our position comes primarily through (efforts of) other things, our position is shaky.
• An N (as in MBTI) understands metaphors. S doesn't. S interprets literally.

Astrology And Partner Matching

I was discussing compatibility issues with a friend using MBTI theory as a reference point. As an example, how it would be for an NT to live under the same roof as an SF or for an NF to live with an ST. 

My friend asked me whether Vedic astrology also didn't try to check compatibility of would be spouses and if so why was it unable to prevent wrong matches. Good question, I thought.

Here is my thought. Vedic astrology is a thousand years old. Very little got added to that body of science (or art) since 1000AD. And the purpose of matching was primarily to ensure that the man and women had equal longevity (so neither was widowed early) and that they could have children.

So long as the charts of Man A and Woman B indicated that they had equal or good longevity and that progeny was indicated in their combination, it was deemed a good match. Of course, other factors such as looks, wealth, education were also considered but  these were outside of the scope of astrological horoscope matching.

Now, we can see that the matching did not include aspects of  compatibility of their natures. 

As to why it didn't, I have to recall a conversation that I had with another friend who lives in a joint family. Her mother in law told her that the amount of time that a man and a wife spend together is at most 3 or 4 hours. The rest of the time the man is out at work or with his friends or brothers / uncles etc. And the woman spends most of the time inside the house with children and other women in the house. That being the case, where is the need for great compatibility like in the case of Darcy and Elizabeth?

If Elizabeth and Bingley had been married to each other and lived in a joint family with Bingley's 3 brothers and their wives and children and with his parents, would their marriage have been a colossal failure? Probably not.

In the last 1000 years (more likely in the last 50  years), the family has become more nuclear. A woman sees no other close relative other than her husband on a daily basis and hence she has a higher need for compatibility. This is true for the husband as well. There are no brothers or uncles for him.

Such a situation as we have now was not known to the people that lived 1000 years ago. Maybe that's the reason Vedic astrology "screws up" while matching horoscopes - because we are expecting things that were not within scope when the sages founded astrology.

Thanigai Panchangam - Rains

A friend sent me this and asked for my opinion: http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2921/1035/original.jpg - this is in Tamil - Thanigai Panchangam (an almanac).

I didn't understand the content.
In summary, it tries to indicate that during the period Dec-Jan, the oceans tend to boil and this could result in some catastrophic events in some place(s) in the world - the exact location cannot be ascertained a priori. 
If the prediction was specific to 2015, then it's an amazing prediction of the rains on Dec 1st 2015 in Chennai. This prediction seems to be general and not specific to 2015. 

Well the tsunami of 2004 that hit the Indian ocean was on Dec 24th. The major rains this year (2015) was on Dec 1. The tsunami that hit Dhanushkodi was in Dec 1964.

I looked up the list of tsunamis and the dates when they happened. Are they clustered around Dec-Jan? Not sure. Plenty are in Nov, July etc.

When I went through the top results from the google search for the following terms "very heavy rainfall" dates "more than" 250mm OR 25cm and when I looked at the dates when such heavy rainfall happened, most were around the middle of the year - not in Dec-Jan.

Did the almanac predict correctly?

I replied to my friend that after a major event, many theories are presented. It's always easier to say why something went wrong (or right) in hindsight than to predict accurately before the event. That it's the latter that I love, I have little interest in the former. 

Consistent accurate prediction is a rarity in varied fields - stock markets, weather, medicine, education to name a few. Of course in the novel "The Class", there is a mention that Harvard predicts the performance of its freshman students - I don't know whether it is true and if so, how accurate the prediction is!

Additional reading:

1. http://Calmisc.blogspot.com/2015/11/chennai-weather.html
2. http://www.indjst.org/index.php/indjst/article/viewFile/30416/26344

If Predestined, Why Bother With Astrology

https://vicdicara.wordpress.com/2015/12/10/if-its-predestined-why-bother-with-an-astrology-reading/:

An interesting question. Hmmm, don't know what to make of the answer. What are present destiny and future destiny? "We look for knowledge – be it from astrology or elsewhere – to help us figure out the most productive way to deal with our current destiny" - isn't our of dealing with destiny (current or whatever) also predetermined?

Additional reading:
http://vbala99.blogspot.com/2015/06/truth-shall-set-your-free-will.html

Truth Shall Set Your Free Will

This is in continuation of an earlier thread.

A friend sent me this:

You were absolutely right in saying Free Will has no part to play at all in one' s life. The same was said by Sri Ramana Maharshi, a renowned and revered saint of Tiruvannamalai.

As we have already seen, we are the cause of our experiences in this life.The results of our actions performed in innumerable births,slowly fructify in consequent births. There is no hard and fast rule that we reap whatever we sow in this or the immediate next birth itself. We have no control over this aspect. It is in accordance with the laws.

In this connection, even the incarnations of Lord Vishnu had to endure the pains for their actions in their previous births. To prove this statement, from the worldly standpoint, Sri Rama killed Vali by deceit. As a result of this act, He was killed by a hunter Jara in His incarnation as Sri Krishna (mistaken by the hunter to be a deer). This law does not apply to the Omniscient One but He took it upon Himself as an atonement to set an example to the world that the law is applicable to all equally.

Moving to ordinary human beings,in affinity to the aforesaid paragraph,we happen to meet many people at different points of our lifetime, but very few of them seem to be our own since ages though the acquaintance is only for a short span. An introspection into this will enable us to believe that the connection with that person or people is from some past birth or births,not from here.All of us would be experiencing this at some point.

Actions are grouped into three kinds.Two of them are storehouses awaiting to confer the consequences of our actions upon us.

1. Known by the term "Agami"-This is a store-house of actions of many many births, yet to be released.
2. Known by the term "Sanchita"-This is also a store-house of actions which are nearing fruition i.e. will commence next birth.
3. Known as "Prarabdha".

Those actions which have already commenced fructifying i.e. experiences of the current life. This in all probability would not change as it has begun operating at the commencement of this birth There is nothing we can do about it,we need to endure till the last breath.

But the first two kinds can certainly be exhausted and it is in our hands to nullify its effects.By working on this, when all actions are exhausted, it is assured that we do not return in any form on any plane which is the goal of human birth and each of us is treading towards this only knowingly or unknowingly.

A silver lining in a dark cloud is,be it any situation, "Even this shall pass away." Just as the bitterness of bitter gourd or the sweetness of a sweet, both are momentary.

My reply: 

No, I am not satisfied [with your explanation above]. My reason (take a deep breath. It's long): to me it doesn't matter who says something - Ramana maharishi, sage Vyaas or Valmiki - (that's why I don't like quotes). What is important is what is said. 

1. Does it fit in with other things I believe or know? If not either my understanding or what I heard is wrong 
2. Is it consistent with other things the person himself has said 
3. is his assertion a valid conclusion? - meaning, does it have a basis or is the assertion something like "we should love our country or our mother tongue" - just a belief or a desire and cannot be deduced from other accepted (by me) things... 

God for me is truth and understanding, I mean intellectual understanding and not the feminine "being understanding =accepting in nature". Most people can't appreciate this nor do they live by this - devotion to truth to the large exclusion of other things. That doesn't make them bad people - they just have a different value system. I may not be right in what I say but if you understand what I said you will understand me better.

The passages that I have received till now seem to fail the criteria I listed above. I believe the essential difference between us is that you may have a tendency to accept gospel on faith while I don't, I would necessarily test and try to verify its correctness. Faith is not part of my nature. 

If the teachings had a single (or 2 or 3) set of rules of life from which one could derive other conclusions, then those set of rules could be an attempt to get at truth. Ayn Rand's philosophy was one such attempt, all the more interesting because she revealed "her truth" through fiction. I am not able to see Mahabharata, another great work of fiction, in the same light as I see Ayn Rand - not that Ayn Rand's truth doesn't have its flaws. In Mahabharata I am not able to see a single truth pervading the whole story, or am I being blind? A person's desire should be based on truth. Any statement that resembles "I am one of the best known and the most popular actors that India has seen - hence you should use Reynolds pen or eat Maggi" is not going to be accepted by me. 

What is Krishna's truth? Or Ramana Maharishi's? Or Hindu Dharma's? I am not going into Islam or Chrisianity - that would be frivolous. 

Destiny and free will cannot coexist. In a universe where there is no free will, people cannot be held responsible for their actions. If everything that I do is pre-decided (or preordained) without my control, I cannot be held responsible for my actions. This is basic. Astrology and the incident mentioned in the earlier post with respect to Krishna and Kalyavan seem to go along with destiny. Hence, astrology and that story about Krishna do not gel with the concept of personal responsibility. 

Just trying to fence the issue...Creating a boundary around it.. 

Incidentally "rationality" as defined while describing Eddie Willers here is very similar to what I define as "truth". I happened to stumble on this article while reading about Eddie and Cameron, some of the less admired heroes of Ayn Rand.

EINSTFPJ - MBTI - Basic Theory

This was part of an earlier post. I removed it from there and created a new post here.

What I want to focus on is the kind of responses each personality type gives in various scenarios. This post is on understanding MBTI and its relevance to Vedic astrology.

I have been analyzing the various aspects of our personality for some time and trying to correlate it with the indications of planets in our horoscope. When I use the words horoscope and astrology I am not talking about Sun signs. I refer to Vedic astrology and I do not consider Uranus, Neptune, Pluto which are not part of Vedic astrology.

My specific focus is in splitting our personality layer by layer into our emotions, our mind, our desires, our drive, ability and so on. I want to find out which of these are synonyms or always go together and which of these are independent characteristics. For example desire and drive may not always go together. A person with a low drive may have a high desire or vice versa.

Guess, I have made clear what I want to understand.

This post will contain stuff on MBTI types. I will includes (links to) articles of interest and occasionally my own feelings. At present this post is unstructured and may not be reader friendly. 

Nice posts on MBTI:

• http://insightgame.org/intro.php
• Classroom learnng and MBTI types: http://personalityplaybook.com/2013/10/27/classroom-learning-and-the-16-types/
• http://infj-mbti.tumblr.com/post/102588507108/mbti-misconceptions
• http://www.newdirectionsconsulting.com/leadership-engagement/are-we-compatible-using-the-mbti-personality-assessment-with-couples/
• http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/the-16-mbti-types.htm
• http://www.inc.com/adam-heitzman/can-the-myers-briggs-predict-your-entrepreneurial-success.html
• http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/
• https://ebliz.wordpress.com/2012/01/01/why-you-behave-the-way-you-do-mbti-personality-types/

These are related articles on different MBtI topics:

• Inferior functions: 1
• Nice post on introverted sensing: 1
• Ti and Te: 1
• T and; F, ego: 1, 2
• J and P: 1, 2
• N and S: 1, 2, 3, 4 (nice one on misconceptions about S and N)
• Ni and Ne: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4
• Conflicts in TJ, FP etc: 1
• Difference between Ni, Ne and Women's intuition: 1
• Ni, No, Si, Se: 1 , 2
• Fi and Fe: 1
• Fi and comparing with other attributes: 1
• All functions in real life: 1
• NF: 1
• Relationship difficulties for N types: 1
• Gifted students: 1
• Gut feel: 1, 2
• Statistics on various MBTI types: 1, 2
• Differences between J(udging) and P(erceiving): 1
• Difference between T(hinking) and F(eeling): 1
• Forer effect on how predictions / analyses can sound nice and authentic and non unique and fits just about everyone/everything: 1, 2 (Lovely post.)
• Difference between S(ensing) and iN(tuition): 1 - While most articles tend to give an abstract definition of the two, this article seemed to me to explain the difference well.
• INTJ, INFP, INTP, INFJ Relationships, Compatibility, & the Inferior Function: 1 - very nice article.
• INTJ and INTP difference: 1, 2, 3
• On NF, NT, SF and ST - 1, 2 - both nice articles. 
• MBTI types in the classroom: 1, 2,
• Influential people: 1,
• Holland's 6 personality types or codes: 1, 2, 3
• Stress in different personality types: 1

Numbers given above are hyperlinks to different articles.

My discomfort with the definition of N or S is that they are defined on the basis of GATHERING info. I would say they are different in terms of storing info. Issues in relationships happen primarily because of differences in N and S and T and F. Intuition of the feminine kind is of a survival nature. Intuition as in NT (MBTI type) is to do with understanding the model of this world. N and F are similar in this nature - understanding or knowing what is not visible or obvious. F, E and P attributes are grounded with dealing with people. Such people deal with people much better than I, OR NT or J. Note that I used NT together.

We (rather, the definition of the type) say that N doesn't work with data, only the S does. But T processes the data and hence NT also possibly does. So when a person works with data, does it mean he is T and not N? See the confusion.

Put another way, if you see a person who is comfortable mulling on data, then is he NT? ST? SF? Definitely not NF. Read this to feel a good confusion about N (yes, you heard right).

Read this article. This article deals with intuition as defined in English. It has nothing to do with MBTI's N. The policeman who suddenly says (and maybe rightly) that the butler did the murder... Is NOT N. That kind of intuition is more F.

N, I think is about abstraction, about summarizing. Some people summarize, theorize based on data. These perhaps are the NTs. Some summarize without data whose opinions or theories are proved later when data become available. These perhaps are the NF's. N is the ability to see a pattern which others don't. Others see only disparate data, they are the S's. Is my understanding right? I read this lovely article today about the difference between abstract (perhaps "N") and concrete thinking (perhaps "S"). 

Relating MBTI to astrology:

A friend of mine told me this:

P stands for duality and Libran traits
J stands for fixed signs. I is all water and earth signs
E is all fire and air signs
N is a fire and water trait. S is an earth trait largely
T is an air trait
F is a water trait.

Venus refers to feelings, a keen grasp of sensory information, a need for comfort and hates to be rushed. It loves, is addicted to, comfort. and hence would refer to S, F and P. Saturn is thoughtful, cold and impersonal and pushes itself - it would refer to IT and J (as in MBTI). N would perhaps come from Rahu / Ketu. 

I tried to see whether the states defined in transactional analysis (TA). MBTI type ST. S seems to be the parent state, F the child state and NT the adult state.

It is said that N uses deduction while S uses induction. Some say that Ni uses deduction and Ne uses induction. A friend of mine and I keep arguing this point but we have not resolved it. 

Hearing what is not said, gut feeling and classic INTUITION are all F. These, I think have to do with MBTI N. N abstracts all data and stores only the theory behind it. This theory can be explained to an S but the S may or may not understand the theory. The S definitely won't agree with the theory, rather won't agree that the data points can be summarized so neatly into a theory. 


Here are some articles that explain the difference between induction and deduction:

• http://www.personal.kent.edu/~rmuhamma/Algorithms/MyAlgorithms/DeductInduct.htm
• https://suite.io/isaac-m-mcphee/jvn2y0    https://school.carm.org/amember/files/demo3/2_logic/deduction_induction.htm
• http://www.ekahimethod.com/demystifying-intuition/

A friend sent me this link. About the person whose quote is shown in the link: Is he an F or a T?

Additional reading:

1. http://zombiesintelligently.com/non-fiction/myers-briggs/
2. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-fad-won-t-die
3. http://vbala99.blogspot.com/2012/11/bad-venus.html
4. http://vbala99.blogspot.in/2012/01/modified-five-factor-personality-type.html
5. http://vbala99.blogspot.in/2012/05/know-any-hsps.html
6. http://vbala99.blogspot.in/2012/06/new-vedic-astrology-mars-venus-saturn.html