Tuesday, March 29, 2016

Classic P (as IN MBTI) And T Vs J Vs P


When I first met some P's in my life I didn't understand them. I thought they were unprioritized, irresponsible, undisciplined.

When I got to know a P well, I understood later. They were prioritized, except they didn't think every job had to be done right now, every decision to be taken immediately and the subject closed. They have their goals clear, who is IN in their life and who is not. Their resources and efforts are spent on what / who is IN and not based on what is their responsibility to do. They may make a marginal attempt to do things which are not their priority but which still are job to do, if circumstances demand it.

As the author describes, not all decisions need to be taken right now, many may become irrelevant with time, more options may come up later which would make decision making easier.

More importantly as another P (let's call him Y) told me about a colleague (let's call the colleague X) of his: X would say that it's important not to do things immediately. One should wait until the issue becomes critical. The effort then spent (X said) on solving the issue is appreciated much more. While doing anything, (X continued) one should always see what rewards are associated with doing it and what penalties are associated with not doing it. Y was very impressed with X.

Y himself told me many  decades back... "If you are going to do something good for someone it's important to ensure that it becomes known. If no one knows about the good thing you did, you might not have done it at all."

Of course, the author has not talked about the things that X and Y did. The latter are from my personal experience. But they kind of throw some more light to the nature of a P. 

Neither does the author seem to have considered that the behavior of procrastination (that of a P) is not a chosen one. Meaning one doesn't choose to procrastinate. Each of us is built in a certain way. Some of us are P's and some are J's - each with some pros and some cons.

A conversation with a friend resulted in some more thoughts.

Why was Y impressed with X, despite both being P's? Y was impressed with X because X had something that Y could learn. 


My friend asked me whether altruism and J always went together and and selfishness with P. She was referring to Y's belief that a good deed done without anyone getting to know might as well not have been done.

I am not saying (most) J's are altruistic and that most P's are selfish but FP's are usually selfish - opposite of Ayn Rand's kind of selfishness. Ayn Rand selfishness is very obvious. FP's selfishness and avarice is not obvious, theirs being shrouded in well meaning words and packaged well. One has to peel the layers to sense it.

Difference between T, J and P
T's operate with their thought. The decision about something is based on what is logical (not necessarily on what is conventional). An NT operates with the adult state while an ST may not.

J's orientation in life is to complete all tasks they are responsible and strive to have zero pending tasks at any point in time. They do not focus on their feelings - if a job is to be done, it has to be done and on time too.. No matter what. J's set of things to be done is always based on protocol. They are strict, and operate largely with the parent state. P's are usually concerned about their own selves first and foremost. Nothing is more important than their feelings. All tasks can wait until they feel it's the right time to do the job. Barring a few people for whom they might give their life for.... all other things and people are secondary to P's.

A T and a J can sound similar because both seem to driven by rules and not by their heart..The T is driven by the mind or logic while the J by conventions and protocol.

An F and a P often seem very similar to me. An F processes things with his heart than with his mind. An F can be driven by protocol and be meticulous, organized in case he is a J. A P can be driven by thought also instead of by F. A P's focus is NO RULES / PROTOCOLS. 

TJ's are inflexible (J) and do not generally think with their heart (T). Can you imagine how heartless they would seem? FP's on the other heart follow their heart (P) and use their heart when they walk through life unshackled by convention and protocols. (P)

A strong FP (high energy one) usually thinks of himself as being superior. And that rules that apply to others do not apply to him. And this is where an FP may become more obnoxious than a NT who is not particularly strong with his feelings. 

A simple question asked of an FP often would not elicit a simple answer. The response would be preceded by a calculation involving what the person asking is looking for, what the best answer would be to keep the relationship with that person at a desired level. The tendency to "calculate" for important things is phenomenal in FP's despite their stronger F.

A J would look more disciplined and organized while he would also be inflexible, nagging. A P would look sweet, flexible etc and she is also likely to come across as being undisciplined. 

All the P's I know negotiate a lot, meaning they would not assume anything is fixed or inflexible. And they are very good at it. I guess it doesn't matter whether they EP's or IP's.

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